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Russian Roulette; it isn't fun with out a gun, or a cap.
Topic Started: Feb 28 2017, 06:13 AM (372 Views)
edmaster44
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Good Evening, I'm making a post about the recent and harsh changes to the casino limits, It's nice that you guys care about our gambling addiction, I know I've lost 500k before at the Roulette, but...to only make One bet? Isn't this going a tad over board? Roulette is about making more than One bet, On multiple colours and and numbers only to have it land on that one green and loose it all. Prohibiting us to only one bet on Roulette goes against having it in game in the first place.


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It was done to close an exploit and will remain that way until it is fixed and the exploit closed. Apologies for sneaking it in but we didn't want to announce it due to the fact it was, well, to close an exploit.
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As far as I'm concerned I haven't noticed any exploits with the roulette table, the only bug I've noticed is that the number 3 was essentially none existent on the table and would break a round at times saving your bet for the next round. Other than that...it's...roulette, and works like how a roulette table works, and I've used it quite a bit before. Also, if there's something wrong with it, wouldn't it make sense to just disable it rather than make it completely unplayable?

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Mymothersmeatloaf,Feb 28 2017
06:23 PM
As far as I'm concerned I haven't noticed any exploits with the roulette table, the only bug I've noticed is that the number 3 was essentially none existent on the table and would break a round at times saving your bet for the next round. Other than that...it's...roulette, and works like how a roulette table works, and I've used it quite a bit before. Also, if there's something wrong with it, wouldn't it make sense to just disable it rather than make it completely unplayable?

Likewise. I haven't noticed any exploit with the roulette table either, except for number 3, which was more of a bug than an exploit. Having spent the vast majority of my time there the past couple months with Lyra, and Argent.

(All three of us losing more than we won, as well as cleaning money from the economy.)

The only exploit that was involving the casino that multiple people had knowledge of, was the animal pits appraise checks, which was resolved months ago. - Yet the 'feature' is still there, non-functional.

Not only that, it's completely broken now, due to this change. (The Animal Pits)

If this temporary 'screw up an entire zone to close an exploit' is indeed, blocking out this exploit from happening, You could inform us what the exploit was, because as it stands, it looks like a witch hunt, at worst, and policing fun at best. Which has happened there before.

Breaking two out of three of the major games in the Casino and leaving still open to the public is a terrible design choice, much better left to having the Guard at the entrance just say "The casino is closed for renovations"

But then again, I doubt there is a single scripter who actually tests what they design.
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Well obviously breaking the animal pits was unintentional, and that bug didn't come out in testing. :P

As for roulette. . . whether that stays single bet only is up for debate. However, saying that one bet per 2 minutes is "broken" is highly misleading from a game perspective. It might not be 100% true to roulette, but the point is to make something what works for the purposes of Sigil.

Saying that it was done to close an exploit is also misleading. It was done to slow down how fast you could gain gold in the casino.

As I'm sure casino enthusiasts have noticed, we've tweaked the casino multiple times to get it where we want it, and we do not (intentionally) explain exactly how it works internally.
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You're also tweaking how fast people LOSE money. Which is important for the overall health of the economy. - People have ultimately lost more than they've gained. Ask Lyra, Ask Argent, or myself.

It's missing the thrill of winning big and losing big now. Which is what Casinos are about. In other words. It's currently a waste of space better served for something else.

In the time it takes for the man to call a number. One could rush to any one of the 'barely protected' gold piles in any of the combat zones, Never fight a single enemy, and get access to money without risking a thing, or wasting as much time.
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The_Tarot,Feb 28 2017
07:27 PM
You're also tweaking how fast people LOSE money. Which is important for the overall health of the economy. - People have ultimately lost more than they've gained. Ask Lyra, Ask Argent, or myself.

Welcome to how gambling works... :P
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The_Tarot,Feb 28 2017
08:27 PM
You're also tweaking how fast people LOSE money. Which is important for the overall health of the economy.

I know! Its tragic!
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I mean, shit where else am i suppose to loose all those jink now? Having Money is boring with nothing to do with it.
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I will endeavor think of more fun ways to spend money. :D
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edmaster44,Feb 28 2017
09:13 PM
I mean, shit where else am i suppose to loose all those jink now? Having Money is boring with nothing to do with it.

Sharon and my other toons could use some funding for a mansion, I suppose. :lol:

I do think the bets in general need to have a limit, to be honest. Maybe a little higher than it currently is, but there definitely needs to be a moment for it to all to 'stop' to prevent things from getting out of hand if that's the main concern. Even New Vegas did that.
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Just implement a 5$ real money surcharge and watch the masses go crazy, lel :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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MimiFearthegn,Feb 28 2017
07:02 PM
As for roulette. . . whether that stays single bet only is up for debate.

...That's just not how roulette works at all. If a dealer tried pulling that in a real casino they'd get laughed at and lose customers.

The point of roulette is mostly strategy...being able to make multiple bets on multiple numbers/rows/columns/streets/colors/splits and so on to further increase your chances at winning a game, it's still luck based. And still has a chance of failing. But again...that's gambling.

If the team is insistent on keeping the single betting, they might as well get rid of it entirely and replace it with blackjack or something.
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Mymothersmeatloaf,Mar 1 2017
04:02 AM
If the team is insistent on keeping the single betting, they might as well get rid of it entirely and replace it with blackjack or something.

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Roulette is a game of pure chance like any other game. I've read about lots of different "strategies" that people try to use to improve their odds...and subsequently read the math that debunks them. Generally the house ends up profiting off the game because they don't offer fair payout of the odds. It's similar to two people tossing a coin and making a bet on if it will land heads or tails, except that the person who called heads only wins $0.50 if the coin lands on heads, and the person who called tails wins $1.00 if the coin ends up tails.

Of course I don't know how the virtual game is programmed, so there might be a legitimate way to improve your odds by making certain bid combinations. ;)
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