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Mr_Otyugh
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To that extent, I'd say people would likely be afraid of change, or what people think of them. Heck people can be afraid from moving one place to another distant place, or having a surgery, or presentation. None of these are lethal (depending on surgery of course) and they're still things that can invoke physical reactions of fear and anxiety. And some of them might even view death as less frightening option since they don't need to deal with the aftermath anymore.

The thing is, your soul will live on, but is your soul exactly the same as you? You'll lack an entire physical manifestation which honestly is a pretty big part of you. You'll abandon all that you know, friends and your possession, place you live in, and flutter around into some distant plane and start over to spend an eternity in there, dealing with it? Raise Dead, Resurrection and heck, even Reincarnation spells only work if the subjects soul is willing. If the afterlife was such a nice place, why'd they accept? Despite the certainty of afterlife, I think it'd be one of the worst days of your existence.
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Lucadia,Apr 23 2017
01:41 AM
I just finished a year long campagin for the fey plot Arelia run. Props for the work. it was fun.
That said, its also another thing that took that long that tried to involve the entire server, but basicly very few cared it was going on and the impact its left afterwards feels watered down.

I can explain why this happened from the perspective of someone who was one of those players that did not get involved. Besides the Bazaar getting blown up one day, nobody knew this was going on, at least of the people that I play with. When the Bazaar did get blown up, the official story was that there was an aspect of the Raven Queen that got flayed by the Lady and the invading army that got brought in turned tail. And besides hearing of a group that went after the retreating army (and some sort of fey prince), I did not hear anything else of any particular significance.

Now ask yourself this question, why would someone who was not invested in this plot from the start get involved at that point? It seems like almost everything has met some sort of resolution, and there isn't any actual incentive for most characters to join. I can see a lot of Indeps actually wanting to strike back at whoever decided to blow up their Bazaar, assuming they know that they're still kicking, but for me it was one of those instances where there was an event going on that I didn't want to join just because there was an event. For my characters there was no motivation to join because if there was anything going on that would actually affect them they were not informed of it, by either chant, players or NPCs. I also didn't interact very often with the main group that was pursuing this plotline. Barbatos may have not joined regardless since he's a Sinker Accelerationist, but Kars is one of those characters that can very easily be dragged into almost any event if there's the promise of pay by virtue of being a Taker. However, it appeared as if the main group had it under control if they didn't have to recruit more people.

There's plenty of people who are going to join an event because it's an event, but there's also a lot of people who won't join an event if it doesn't make sense for their character to join. It's why from my experience in other servers, usually if one wants to create an event that involves the entire server, it has to be something that in some way threatens the status quo of most people on that server, some in good and some in bad ways. It actually makes it so not everyone has to work together too because some characters might actually want whatever bad thing is looming over the server to happen. (Even if it's likely that it won't happen since enforcing whatever changes world threatening events usually bring about could sometimes mean huge changes in server lore or entire devastated landscapes. Or both.) However, just the fact that there's these opposing factions generates RP, with usually the only problem being that people focus more on -winning- rather than -storytelling- which generates Drama. I'd like to point out that in every story there is some sort of conflict, because a story without conflict is boring.
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Lucadia,Apr 23 2017
01:41 AM
That said, its also another thing that took that long that tried to involve the entire server, but basicly very few cared it was going on and the impact its left afterwards feels watered down.

To be fair, from my perspective, I wasn't told anything was happening until it was all over and the Bazaar was rubble. I guess it's easy to say that it tried to involve the entire server. But when you don't make Unseelie Fey aware of plots involving Unseelie Fey...
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Lucadia,Apr 23 2017
01:41 AM
That said, its also another thing that took that long that tried to involve the entire server, but basicly very few cared it was going on and the impact its left afterwards feels watered down.

Yeah, feel much the same as the people above. There were very few publicly announced events last summer, and the rest were sporadic and rarely tried to involve anyone new... so don't expect major interest if people don't even know when most of the lead up happened.
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Lucadia,Apr 23 2017
01:41 AM
I been holding off posting in this thread and really I feel like I should continue to do so as mostively it be an explosive perception how certain things are driving players away and no moves toward keeping them--

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For the one bit of constructive, as a player, currently events run on the server leave absolutely no passive impact. Stories you participate in just become a flavor of monster of the month, soon forgotten with no evidence it happened.

Battle of Salt. Whats that? Why did it happen? Why is there no petrified remains in the Plane of Salt with some overview to the story that took so long to happen? Wel a few pcs remember it but when you go explain to somebody why its important it matters very little to some other player, as it continues to not have anything do with the current setting now or affect anyone.

Hand full of players that got on tail end of that basicly got some custom plot weapons to deal with the threat and continue to keep them to use for rp use afterwards. Anyone in a faction got rewarded a automatic bump up in promotions. --((personaly it done quite a bit to promote my own characters story in the role of factioneer but!)) that dont apply for anyone else that particpated nor any players or characters that come in afterwards. They look at this server and go "why should I particpate in plots if its not represented as changing a part of the server?

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I just finished a year long campagin for the fey plot Arelia run. Props for the work. it was fun.
That said, its also another thing that took that long that tried to involve the entire server, but basicly very few cared it was going on and the impact its left afterwards feels watered down.

Hardly anyone knows why it happened, for what purpose or what end result was other then the bazaar getting squashed (as a reason to get the updated area in).
Im nit pick for a moment here that all the rp and donations that went into "rebuilding" the bazaar got far as I know, none of the promised events to make players feel like they was actualy particpating, happened.

Humans are creatures that like satisfiy needs, and recogniztion for doing something rp or oocly goes a long ways toward retention. Either by providing the requesting events or offering a reward.

You no idea how happy I was as a player to get a "rock" from an event that had a small minor custom thing to represent something had happened.

--Anyhow this is just a minor thought bubble of some the things Iv wanted to say to this thread. Perhaps there should be in the suggestions" How can we improve events for you to make them engaging and memorable."

This is something i feel strongly about and something the team is working on doing more of in the future. The fey plot was a testing of the waters if you will, that will lead to some improvements in the 2017 Mega plot. Some other events such as "Expansion Of The Triumvirate" have received builder interest and will end up altering the game world. However we are limited by builder time and interest in this so unfortunately not every big plot or player run event will have a chance to change the game world.

That said if you want to make a change IC and can find someone willing to do the builder work, It is something the staff will consider. There is no promises as there are a lot of aspects we have to consider but it would be considered and voted upon.

Also we are working (slowly) on integrating some new DM tools in 2017 that will not only make running events easier but will allow EM/DMs to create more flavored rewards and props IG.
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The event board needs to get out of beta, a big problem with participating in events on this server is that one cannot plan to attend one, they have to be on all day in a specific spot and wait for things to happen. I've missed alot of stuff simply because I went to go planeswalking or make something happen rather then standing around awkwardly. Also, there are the events you just aren't invited to... I mean, I know the fey event line happened because the bazaar got blown up but I was never got into any part of it aside from player run aftermath. That said, it must be demotivating that you'd be unaware it happened if you came around now.
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Lucadia,Apr 23 2017
02:41 AM
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I agree, participating in campaigns over the years have feels meaningless and I'm not talking about my character getting rewards, but a fair bit of recognition that doesn't involve people remembering what exactly happened would be nice. There's no history in Sigil, events just happen in a vacuum and then everything returns to normal and people who weren't involved? They have no idea anything happened at all and when people leave, nobody remembers. Example: a far realm invasion happened years ago, I think there's probably four characters still around who knew about it that are still around and another few who actually participated.
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Hydra,Apr 23 2017
05:55 PM
Example: a far realm invasion happened years ago, I think there's probably four characters still around who knew about it that are still around and another few who actually participated.

I remember!

And Sasha will gladly complain to anyone at all about how horrible it was.
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I feel like the staff is sitting behind walls watching the community and have stopped communicating with the player base that actually stays.

Topics that actually matter to the pool that stays keep getting locked instead having a proper discussion.

Things are no longer in unisone and appears that our dm team does not care.

and while I would like talk about all the things that players are saying right now, Im not comfortable speaking to anyone unless they got an even ear for listening.

It does not feel "safe" to speak with staff, but walking on eggshells.
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Lucadia,Apr 30 2017
03:18 PM
Topics that actually matter to the pool that stays keep getting locked instead having a proper discussion.

that in my opinion, is because those topics turn into a mess. See a lot of them due to lack of constructive criticism. only takes one to get the rest upset and it only gets worse as it goes along.

Edit : I will also add that I have contacted the staff a number of times VIA forum PM's and they care from experience, thank god they have yet to block me "yet" :P - was wondering if that would ever happen honsetly
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DaftyXIII,May 1 2017
12:37 AM
Lucadia,Apr 30 2017
03:18 PM
Topics that actually matter to the pool that stays keep getting locked instead having a proper discussion.

that in my opinion, is because those topics turn into a mess. See a lot of them due to lack of constructive criticism. only takes one to get the rest upset and it only gets worse as it goes along.

Well you can always apply some moderation when people get out of the way.

I frankly think Lucadia does have a point and its something I've overheard quite a lot of these days. I'd like if the staff could open the dialogue or maybe chose someone for that role, mostly because its time consuming and I guess some DMs don't have the time for that.
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Well dialogue is why we have these forums, and lots of threads active. The only reason things get locked is because they've either turned into flame wars (and have stayed that way usually for a few pages) or because the matter has been settled.

That said! Luca, you talk to staff members every day. There are people who probably are behind a wall of some sort, but you are not one of them.

Edit: Also, what Sinlinara said, though the only place you'll find -all- the staff is on the forums.
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Hydra,Apr 30 2017
03:43 PM
I frankly think Lucadia does have a point and its something I've overheard quite a lot of these days. I'd like if the staff could open the dialogue or maybe chose someone for that role.

I'l let Lucadia explain a bit more in detail then before I reply again, because perhaps I missed something.
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I would also like to point out. The discord is under new management and i can speak for myself and the others who are in charge of the discord, we would love the staff back their. Haven has its own discord chat and the player to staff interactions does wonders too.
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