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| Topic Started: Apr 20 2017, 05:24 PM (623 Views) | |
| Neerepha | Apr 20 2017, 05:24 PM Post #1 |
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As the only builder who worked on the Karasuthra expansion, I feel offended by the changes that have been done to the Secret Valley area. I have known about them only yesterday by mere chance, and I want the playerbase to know that it was NOT my idea, and thank whomever worked on it to ruin the quite clear and simple concept behind it. Those who are familiar with the movie "Howl's Moving Castle", may have notice my attempt to reproduce the valley where Howl lived as a child. Even the cabin interiors (did you even notice I made the interiors, staff? Because I have to hope you deleted that area from the cave erf to make it lighter!) have been made after the ones in the movie, and the background music is a piano version of the main track. Valley Cabin As simple as it may be, it took me days to find the better way to make it similar to the original concept. Moreover, every area I built for the Karasuthra expansion was mainly because I needed a way for the waterfall area and the secret valley. The meaning of a secret valley is the finding. Once you make it easy to find, it has no mean anymore. As some of you already know, I stepped down as a builder. My intention was to keep building something every now and then, but since this is the second time someone changes one of my areas and doesn't even worry about asking who made it and what changes can be done, I completely give up on this purpose. I sincerely thank everyone who asked for the old Karasuthra back and I hope you will get what you're asking for, someday. |
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| rapsam2003 | Apr 20 2017, 06:09 PM Post #2 |
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Was this really necessary? Couldn't this have been posted in the Builder's Forum? :rolleyes: Also:
What does this have to do with Sigil? Yay, you used it as inspiration. My understanding is, the decision was made with lore in mind, not with some movie that has crap-all to do with Sigil in mind. |
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| Tomekk | Apr 20 2017, 06:30 PM Post #3 |
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You'd probably be pretty pissed if someone changed your work without consulting you first. No need to start mocking someone for their inspiration now.
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| Love_on_a_Wire | Apr 20 2017, 06:35 PM Post #4 |
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Wow. Yeah. Some bias here, I'm a fan of the inspiration in question, but defending the opposing opinion shouldn't necessitate mocking what drove someone to put in the work. It came across as childishly rude to someone who put work into a really beautiful area. Anyway. Yeah. I'd like to see old Karasuthra back. More than I already did, now. |
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| KittyEmpress | Apr 20 2017, 06:51 PM Post #5 |
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Entirely setting aside how I feel about the changes themselves, I'm going to give a dissenting opinion here: Just because you make something, doesn't mean it should be sacrosanct from other people touching it later on. If what you made no longer fits with what the team wants, then the team should be free to make the server better in whatever way they deem right. This should apply to everything: areas, classes, items, and races. If something doesn't work out how the team wanted it to, and they make the decision to change it, they should be able to do it. This is a volunteer project, yes, but the quality is important and at times things that were high quality no longer fit with the qualities the server wants. This is a server, with a like thirty contributors at this point, from over the years. If they held everything every individual builder made as something untouchable to anyone but them, then the server would, quite simply, suck. |
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| Lucadia | Apr 20 2017, 07:02 PM Post #6 |
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Except changing the areas around had nothing to do with lore and just done becauuse they wanted too. They could easily linked the areas without it being immediate bam your there now. They could of asked though politely about changes and discussed it with the person that built it. it just sudden makes it look like one person decison is more important then those that also volunteer and offer work for the server. I dont think they ment to say the area was untouchable though, thats just putting words in their mouth. |
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| Nimiane | Apr 20 2017, 07:09 PM Post #7 |
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When something is submitted to the module, I was under the impression it was no longer 'owned' by any one person, but a donation to the server; one made well over six months ago. What's done with it then is really up to the discretion of the Dev Team and Staff, isn't it? Perhaps I'm missing something here. |
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| Love_on_a_Wire | Apr 20 2017, 07:12 PM Post #8 |
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I'm not saying any of this isn't valid too, but the creator is hardly the only person disastisifed with the change. The flow of the area was really broken up. Really though, I only posted because I felt Rapsam was being a donut. |
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| Lucadia | Apr 20 2017, 07:15 PM Post #9 |
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if the builders are not part of the dev team and only staff has final say what happens with the module sounds like another reason why the player base feels disconnected with those that help run the server. |
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| Darkrob | Apr 20 2017, 07:19 PM Post #10 |
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This is Every PW. The DM/Admin team controls what gets in, what get's altered and what get's removed. While they oft times depend on the help of volunteers, it's generally understood that everything supplied is donated to the server and can be altered at any time. It doesn't mean input is ignored but sometimes things get changed as the team deems necessary. |
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| KittyEmpress | Apr 20 2017, 07:20 PM Post #11 |
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As I said before, I'm not judging the specific area it was done to in this case, just making a point and case that overall, what was done with it should be something up to staff decision, and not something to throw a fit over. I am speaking in a more broad, general sense of anything on the server, ever. In this specific case, I think the way things are currently linked... honestly doesn't bother me at all, and I can go either way in terms of it being the way it is now or was before. And since the players vastly want it changed, that's cool - I would be happy with it being changed too. But not at all because Neerepha demanded it and put up this thread regarding it. |
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| Neerepha | Apr 20 2017, 07:25 PM Post #12 |
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This has everything to do with the player and not the staff only, since I'm speaking to them and telling them I didn't want this. I never said that the area is untouchable, I just wanted the changes to be discussed with me. I could have suggested something else, work something out along with the needs of the server. This was simply "Oh, *I* don't think we need this, let's get rid of it" Well, I don't build random things just because. I have ideas behind a project, and the efforts and the time I spent building require respect. I got inspiration somewhere, so what's the problem? Moreover, so-called Easter Eggs are everywhere in games, does this mean than the builder/building team is throwing in things that aren't reasonable? What about the statues in Mass Effect 2 that are from Dragon Age? And, Nimiane, the area was brand new. We're not talking about changes to an area that has been the same for years and years. Why changing it? You have mountain paths that could lead ANYWHERE. Why changing a peculiar place? What I am seeing lately is a total incapacity of the staff to simply talk, and this is just one more example of it. @KittyEmpress: I am not demanding anything. I haven't played for a month and I don't know if I will ever come back, so please, don't put it as if I personally wanted something. |
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I closed myself off in the past, while building a new world at the same time, pointing at the future, and more and more clearly I realised this world would have been my shelter, where I would have found salvation from all the miseries. (Wagner) I am certain of nothing but the holiness of the heart's affections and the truth of imagination-what the imagination seizes as beauty must be truth-whether it existed before or not. (Keats) | |
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| EM_Stormbringer | Apr 20 2017, 07:49 PM Post #13 |
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I understand the staff has to make decisions and do things and manage the house, but a healthy dose of transparency could really help to avoid a situation like this one ? |
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| Darkrob | Apr 20 2017, 07:54 PM Post #14 |
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You're not incorrect, certainly, but sometimes things get discussed behind the scenes, an idea is formed, a decision made, and a builder makes the changes. We don't discuss every idea and decision with the player base. We make decisions as a team and have them implemented. If it's decided that input from others is necessary, then that's what happens, if not... then it doesn't. While we are certainly far from perfect in our decisions (hence the reason many are revisited) we can't open every discussion and decision to public debate. We have to do what we feel is in the best interest of the server as the topics arise. |
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| Neerepha | Apr 20 2017, 08:18 PM Post #15 |
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Public debate? I'm still up to get PMs, you know. That wouldn't have hurt anyone. |
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I closed myself off in the past, while building a new world at the same time, pointing at the future, and more and more clearly I realised this world would have been my shelter, where I would have found salvation from all the miseries. (Wagner) I am certain of nothing but the holiness of the heart's affections and the truth of imagination-what the imagination seizes as beauty must be truth-whether it existed before or not. (Keats) | |
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