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| Topic Started: May 4 2017, 04:40 PM (1,201 Views) | |
| Artifice | May 5 2017, 06:08 PM Post #31 |
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Fairly easily, if they type out not hitting anyone else, and there's no NPCs being directed by a DM in the vicinity. |
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| rapsam2003 | May 5 2017, 07:45 PM Post #32 |
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That's not how AoEs work... |
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| Artifice | May 5 2017, 07:54 PM Post #33 |
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Sure it is. If players can't assume control of none existing NPCs to their benefit, they surely can't assume control of none existing NPCs to other peoples detriment. You can assume that an environment is busy for roleplay purposes, but you have to be careful when assuming the results of other peoples roleplay. That gets very close to powergaming (or whatever you call it). Imagine your opponent is a very intelligent wizard, or an experienced sorcerer. 'I cast an AOE and I can see it only hits this person so I evoke it.' 'But there's 20 people there (that no one else but me imagined to be there).' 'Well I wouldn't have cast it so it hit 20 people. I'd have angled it in the air so only that one person was in the area of effect.' Or 'Well I wouldn't have cast the spell then.' Etc etc. I'd suggest leaving NPCs getting harmed to DMs, or deliberate action on the part of the harmer.
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| rapsam2003 | May 5 2017, 09:00 PM Post #34 |
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Errmmm... you can't just arbitrarily decide that the AoE (harmful OR Not) has a smaller range than the spell states it does. |
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| Mr_Otyugh | May 5 2017, 09:17 PM Post #35 |
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You could however react to all the dimensions, including height, not just cast it on the ground. Which NWN2 doesn't represent, so if it was spherical shape, you could just be able to target one person with such a spell, it'd require quite the aim, but theoretically possible. So I am really with Artifice on this. It gets really tedious if people can just make up extra victims that weren't there to begin with, at least not after the fact. Or then people should be allowed to retcon after the fact also. |
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| DaftyXIII | May 5 2017, 09:28 PM Post #36 |
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I have done that.. more than once. I have some abrasive characters, one more than the rest.. he would cast silence into the masses. Now this is not a AOE however it shows ya how he can be, he would cast "living undeath" claiming he brings gifts before hand watch others get bent out of shape. . . yeah he's a jerk overall, almost every time a AOE is casted by him such as silence, (even if its ment for one) many get caught in the blast. its inevitable really and all of this is at the Baazar
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| rapsam2003 | May 5 2017, 09:30 PM Post #37 |
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That was intentional though. Not a case of forgetting there were people there. |
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| DaftyXIII | May 5 2017, 09:32 PM Post #38 |
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well, in that case Ive been on the receiving end and others get caught in it that arnt meant too be, if that's your argument folks act a bit on the fly just to try and shut some one up... and in the end many get hit with it,... including themselves - then everyone gets bent out of shape with that oneoverall I'm just saying even if its meant for one, many get hit with it. even if the character isnt abrasive naturaly EDIT : i could have missed something here... |
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| Darkrob | May 5 2017, 09:52 PM Post #39 |
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But that's like saying one 'should' be able to have a fight in the Lady's Ward as there aren't any Harmonium NPC's spawned in the area and it would be wrong for people to 'make them up' should it happen. We HAVE to make them up as 99% of the city's population is in our collective heads. We have to behave like the city is full and alive even if we can't see it. Without that... all we have are big empty areas devoid of life and utterly empty. We have to RP that these things exist. |
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| Mr_Otyugh | May 5 2017, 10:35 PM Post #40 |
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There are bunch of Harmonium NPCs spawned in the Lady's Ward though... but if you can just imagine that they're literally watching you throw a fireball at a mass of NPCs that you can't see, then I think that's really shady practice of roleplaying. I think someone can put a scene about calling Harmonium, in which case the offender shouldn't linger. But at no point do I think should it be possible to post-incidence make NPCs that have not been established or represented to be there, that is just unfair for anyone who are making decisions with incomplete information. That would literally deem making anything criminal impossible since somehow there's always a witness that's going to see and you can't do anything about it, because you can't see them... so if NPCs can be made up afterwards, I think we can retcon actions no one sane would do if they knew the NPCs were there in the first place. |
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| Mcblight | May 5 2017, 10:35 PM Post #41 |
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Another thing to keep in mind is that the areas are not "the whole" of Sigil. What is the bazaar, is not the whole bazaar, but perhaps a more silent corner. If that was not the case, the bazaar would be a very small bazaar. From the different busy bazaars I have seen, there are often those hidden pockets where the more "familiar" goes etc. The same goes for mostly all the other areas. Having to make up non-visible NPCs all the time is bound to cause conflicts. |
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| Darkrob | May 5 2017, 10:45 PM Post #42 |
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But for others to act in such a way also destroys the atmosphere that others are RPing. So by placing your 'none gets hurt 'cause there's no one there' over someone's 'Yeah they would, pal... this is the Great Bazaar... the largest and busiest Faction HQ in the City' pretty much forces an argument... guaranteed. Either the market is full of life, alive and bustling, the Barracks teeming with troops, The Prison bursting with prisoners and guards and the Hive awash in sorrow and beggars... places where your actions are going to affect unseen others... or they're simply lifeless areas devoid of people and you can do what you want without worry. We can't really have it both ways without pitting players against each other. |
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| Mr_Otyugh | May 5 2017, 10:53 PM Post #43 |
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Well we're already having an unwritten rules with spells which is more or less "if it works, it works", I think that approach is more functional than telling everyone that there's billion-billion people amassing the streets when nobody is ever roleplaying wading through crowds, being pushed by said crowd, or constantly checking their pockets since they are being moved by crowds, struggling to see past all the crowds... or talking in caps lock all the time because it's loud. This seems super selective roleplaying that only affects people who are actually doing something. |
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| Darkrob | May 5 2017, 10:58 PM Post #44 |
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Well... There's no real sense in arguing it anyhow because either you believe that the market is teeming with activity or you don't. It's really that simple and neither of us really has a great chance of convincing the other either way So that said... people can RP as they wish but I will completely back any DM that steps in after someone launches a fireball in an otherwise RP busy area and state... "oh you didn't see me on the player list? Well that's too bad. You just killed 15 people. Welcome to the Prison'
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| Mr_Otyugh | May 5 2017, 11:05 PM Post #45 |
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Fair enough, I'll just go with "Well because I just killed 15 NPCs, all the other NPCs are fleeing in terror, since you're taking no evasive actions, I assume you're getting pushed over and being trampled to death" because that is apparently how it can work
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