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Goodbye
Topic Started: Jun 15 2017, 06:07 PM (1,021 Views)
Untaramar
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This is goodbye from me and more or less the rest of the Crimson Horde.
The reason this has come to pass is because of a few disagreements with the DM team after a temporary ban of a few of the other demons and me, which after several tries wasn't really explained. So sadly I won't be continuing on this server, I have enjoyed my time here playing my evil demon and I hope to appear as your worst nightmare on some other server in the future.

Best of luck.
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Ok, bye!
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Erm, I never really got to speak with you before. But I want to say that I'm wishing you all the best and, if you ever change your minds, I look forward to playing with you again.

:)
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I'm sorry to see you go. Who will Sapona be suspicious of now???

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It took a long time but welcome abroad. But I am not surprised that another evil PC is gone, it is quite natural for the project where

cryptc,Aug 3 2016
05:25 PM
And you should realize, this is a private server, and we can run it however we like, so if there is a small minority causing a problem for the majority, even if they do follow our rules, we can ban them if we feel like it. And honestly, at this point, I don't think many would raise an eyebrow if we did.


No aggro here, just posting my opinion.
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That does lack context and you know it. But I know that doesn't fit your narrative.

Also no one has been banned for playing an evil character, no matter how much you spin it. It has been actual tangible activities and usually span over a decent enough time and several prior mentions. I understand it's always tempting to try to abuse the staff code of conduct of trying to respect your very own privacy, to make them look bad, even if they do suddenly mention why the decisions were made publicly (they are always mentioned privately).

Which is also why I'm not doing it, instead I'm pointing out what you are actually doing and let people make their own decisions. :P
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KingLeoric,Jun 16 2017
06:21 PM
It took a long time but welcome abroad. But I am not surprised that another evil PC is gone, it is quite natural for the project where

cryptc,Aug 3 2016
05:25 PM
And you should realize, this is a private server, and we can run it however we like, so if there is a small minority causing a problem for the majority, even if they do follow our rules, we can ban them if we feel like it. And honestly, at this point, I don't think many would raise an eyebrow if we did.


No aggro here, just posting my opinion.

Wasn't ban for being evil, so stop spewing bullshit, buddy.
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We do not discuss player bans publicly to respect your ability to play else where or allow you to continue here if it was temporary. However make no mistake, every ban we have ever placed has come about due to numerous reports from other players. What this means is by continuing to prod the staff in public, will simply turn the rumor mill and have players sharing their own reports among each other. Now if it is your goal to ruin your own reputation in the tight nit group that is NWN2 RP servers then so be it. However respect Untaramar and their right to say goodbye and do not drown out their departing with your drama.

You will be missed Untaramar, Every paladin needs fiendish nemesis' even if the contest is simply who's store is better :P. I hope you continue to find enjoyment in the NWN2 RP community.
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Ariella,Jun 17 2017
12:17 AM

We do not discuss player bans publicly to respect your ability to play else where or allow you to continue here if it was temporary.

Mr_Otyugh,Jun 16 2017
10:32 PM

I understand it's always tempting to try to abuse the staff code of conduct of trying to respect your very own privacy, to make them look bad, even if they do suddenly mention why the decisions were made publicly (they are always mentioned privately).


Right, that's why we don't discuss these things in public, and of course not because anything which might reflect bad on the server will get deleted.

Ariella,Jun 17 2017
12:17 AM

However make no mistake, every ban we have ever placed has come about due to numerous reports from other players.


And the players are never wrong of course, at least not the ones we like. ;)

Ariella,Jun 17 2017
12:17 AM

Now if it is your goal to ruin your own reputation in the tight nit group that is NWN2 RP servers then so be it.


As far as I know KingLeoric has made quite some awesome contributions, so respect for that. Let's not continue about all this with who has the best reputation. Because reason above.

Ariella,Jun 17 2017
12:17 AM

You will be missed Untaramar, Every paladin needs fiendish nemesis' even if the contest is simply who's store is better :P. I hope you continue to find enjoyment in the NWN2 RP community.


Well my shop was better... ;) :P
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I'd suggest that you take the kind remarks given to you by players and staff and leave it at that. Otherwise you leave the door open to less kind sentiments.
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Untaramar,Jun 18 2017
11:07 PM
Right, that's why we don't discuss these things in public, and of course not because anything which might reflect bad on the server will get deleted.

This part isn't actually entirely true. Otherwise "contradicting the servers capacity for integrity" as a statement would probably fit the bill. And if it was a policy, removing it, would prove it true, but also hide any evidence of such an argument existing, meaning that if it was a policy, there'd be no real reason not to practice it if the status quo is questioned. Most likely reasons for deleted posts are (in no particular order):

  • Topic getting side-tracked, and there comes a request to remove the side-tracking
  • exploits are posted
  • specific people are harassed
I mean I reckon there's a thread posted just a while ago where the server was accused of having hostile environment, so either such a censorship has been incredibly poorly administered, or it's not really a thing. :P Most drama tends to be kept in private messages instead to have no need to even delete anything, because it has been a sensible policy... I mean it has been mentioned in the rules and dedicated post about issuing reports.

Of course this could be artificially inflated ruse to try to prove that "Oh dear, I must be a swell guy while really actually horrid" by making an act such as this, but even that'd leave an opening for questioning the status quo, where as if that was the policy, there'd be no reason to question it at all if the question never existed. So... I don't see a whole lot of logical evidences to support it, you are of course free to believe it.
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Mr_Otyugh,Jun 18 2017
08:23 PM

So... I don't see a whole lot of logical evidences to support it, you are of course free to believe it.


Yes, it would be horrible if things was taken as facts without any real evidence, or if such evidence was in fact just rumors. Or even worse if evidence disproving it was just completely ignored.
Lack of any real evidence must be proof enough, right? yes? no?
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Naturally lack of evidence must mean that it absolutely must be truth, just as long as someone in there thinks it is so. Despite there being empirical contradictions visible for everyone who is so inclined to check, especially in the suggestions and ideas forums? :P And already some people have found some of the content in SCoD hostile, due to lack of censorship so... I'm going to leave that judgement for the individual to make honestly. Infact my very brief farewell mention in this very thread was mentioned to be rather untactful, obviously it's at best barely ambiguous example, but I'm not inclined to name any specific people so if you're interested in more tangible examples, ideas and suggestions forum would be my idea/suggestion.

But you've piqued my interest as to what your goals are with this "all presumable truths must come out now that I am leaving"-thing, and I am not saying they are true, it's just how it will be represented as. I'm not new to internet phenomenons.

Naturally if you do have tangible accounts/evidences of such, I'm definitely willing to hear and see the evidences so such matters can be properly addressed. If you don't trust the staff about it, I'm not technically part of staff. I mean it's easy to say "evidences will be ignored" when the one group is being discredited, without the evidences in the first place. Kind of a vicious cycle which also technically prevents staff taking any actions if there is no real mention of it.

By the way, what I am doing is taking the long route to explain what is happening to help people make their own minds, transparency if you will.

Also this thread is also happening:http://z13.invisionfree.com/nwn2planescape...showtopic=16903 which funny enough goes into indepth about my opinion of censorship too.
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Mr_Otyugh,Jun 18 2017
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But you've piqued my interest as to what your goals are with this "all presumable truths must come out now that I am leaving"-thing, and I am not saying they are true, it's just how it will be represented as. I'm not new to internet phenomenons.


I have no interest or goal in telling any truths at all, the ones the comment was aimed at would know, or should at least be able to put two and two together. And if they don't it's not my problem.

You see, I have no problem with the server as it is right now, don't ever change. Because unlike what you might think, as you mentioned in your other thread, we're not coming back. But we will be enjoying to watch this place burn in the fires of it's own stupidity.

And yes, I say "we" because with me, unlike what the hate speech duo of sparkling unicorns might say, with me left about 10 other players. Of course not the most active sort of rp'ers, but players none the less, players who just wanted to have fun within their own little circle and occasionally join events. ;)
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Untaramar,Jun 19 2017
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Mr_Otyugh,Jun 18 2017
09:45 PM

But you've piqued my interest as to what your goals are with this "all presumable truths must come out now that I am leaving"-thing, and I am not saying they are true, it's just how it will be represented as. I'm not new to internet phenomenons.


I have no interest or goal in telling any truths at all, the ones the comment was aimed at would know, or should at least be able to put two and two together. And if they don't it's not my problem.

You see, I have no problem with the server as it is right now, don't ever change. Because unlike what you might think, as you mentioned in your other thread, we're not coming back. But we will be enjoying to watch this place burn in the fires of it's own stupidity.

And yes, I say "we" because with me, unlike what the hate speech duo of sparkling unicorns might say, with me left about 10 other players. Of course not the most active sort of rp'ers, but players none the less, players who just wanted to have fun within their own little circle and occasionally join events. ;)

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Whew lad. That salt. Anyways bro, i will miss you bro, and hope you'll change your mind in the near future!
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