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Song Of Requiem+hymn Of Requiem; Stealth nerfed or unbugged
Topic Started: Aug 29 2017, 02:30 AM (219 Views)
NeverOutPunned
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Song of requiem now breaks stealth with each pulse. Meanwhile, song of requiem still beaks default inspirations. Seeing as this has classically been a quirk of the kit, fixing it without buffing the class or ability is either an error or needed to be questioned for balance.
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HeyaItsBunny
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I know that Song of Requiem/Hymn of Requiem has always broke stealth each round - or at least since I'm playing Siha. Because stealth break every time you damage enemies I think.
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Mr_Otyugh
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Actually Song of Requiem has originally been one of those strange abilities that isn't considered "hostile" in game mechanical terms, thus it didn't break invisibility or stealth. As far as I've gathered that change is intended (also something that has been out there since april? *edit* nevermind, that was april fools joke someone else misinterpreted and I just shared without looking further into it!), however it was also supposed to not remove the inspire while on.

Which all things considered seems like a rather fair deal. Once the inspire-thing is fixed. With hymn of requiem, it is still exceptionally potent ability after all.
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Seems like a fair deal only if you don't play a bard, never-mind one invested heavily enough into both stealth and the two epic feats to use the combo. Seeing as we aren't getting rebuilds or further patches/overhauls any time soon, I'd consider this a unfair nerf or a bug.
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Yeah I think would be a huge disadvantage until the inspirations kick in. If I'm losing my bonus to armor or my regeneration or damage and I can't go invisible or stealth I'm way, way more likely to die.

Instead of an invisible bomb, what's been created is a kamikazes siren. She sings her song as she's being butchered. Not fun. I'd suggest taking away the rewrite until inspirations continue to work when the song is engaged.
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Mr_Otyugh
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Being able to HiPS and having Song/Hymn of Requiem are both incredibly useful even alone. HiPS is a very potent escape tool, the latter are very potent damage/heal utility, with not often resisted damage type. Only weakness it has is that larger numbers can soften the impact on either side.

Considering how poorly AI even manages to respond to invisible threats, and how song of requiem by all accounts should have been considered hostile to begin with (it is an ability that deals damage, there are few things more hostile than hurting others)... I'd maintain an opinion that the break-stealth part is fair. That's also considering the idea that you are moving silently while singing. :P

The inspiration breaking however is a bug and pending fixing.

If you feel that is still unfair, then I'm definately open to talk about it. Or even give a free rebuild for it.
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I think once the inspiration is fixed it'd be pretty fair. Though technically I don't see why one can't sing when invisible. Singing when silent like you said makes no sense.
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Could certainly sing while invisible, but I suppose someone could follow where your voice goes, the same as trying to HiPS and being silent. Hoping that fix is .. fixed :D
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