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Bard and Firre Eladrin acting odd for epic feats
Topic Started: Nov 6 2017, 04:25 AM (141 Views)
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My character should meet all the requirements for Song of Requiem if the Wiki for Firre PrC is to be believed. The Firre's levels are supposed to count in full for bard song progression.

Yet with 8 Firre levels and 13 (going onto 14) Bard levels, and 28 perform I do not have the option to take the feat on level up.

I was, however, able to take Chorus of Heroism. That feat has a higher bard level requirement than my bard levels alone.
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Yeah, it's weird. Firre says on the wiki, http://sigil-nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Firre_(Racial_Prestige_Class) :
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Special: Firre class levels will count as bard levels towards bardic music and songs.


However, I don't think Firre get access to Epic Bard songs. I think it's only Non-Epic bard songs. Will test later...
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I was able to take chorus of Heroism which is an epic feat itself, but only requires 15 bard levels.
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Well, that's... mud in the waters.
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I can't say for sure, but could be only the levels that count as caster level, also count as levels for bard song progression. That'd mean you'd be 2 levels short, but don't quote me on that. That's just my guess work.
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That would explain it, yes. So, 8 Firre & 13 Bard is only 19 casting levels.
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It still doesn't make much sense for something that should be counted off of bard song. If it's broken, fix it? If it's intentional it should be clearly stated.
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It still doesn't make much sense for something that should be counted off of bard song. If it's broken, fix it? If it's intentional it should be clearly stated.
I agree, but I've always had pretty much zero interest in the special races, so I've never got into them. I'd have just hoped someone who actually knows about them would comment. But what I previously stated is my theory, I guess I'll try to take a look what it is about.
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It really comes down to what Ceremorph intended. And given that we have something similar for Eldritch Master which does work, I would think that not qualifying for Requiem was probably intentional. Firre levels grant you song progression, they don't let you qualify for feats as if you where a bard.

Chorus of Heroism is probably the bugged one, most likely because contrary to the description it probably just requires Song of Heroism, and not actually 15 bard levels.

That said, it's always open to change, but I'd be warry of makig Firre just be "Bard +1" too.
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I don't want to turn this into a debate on balance or whatever. I'll just say you can't take the Firre class without bard levels, so it's weird to not be able to get epic bard features.
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