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| Abortion | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 27 2007, 07:33 PM (233 Views) | |
| Dagganon17 | Oct 27 2007, 07:33 PM Post #1 |
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I just saw a news article about an anti-abortion message that the "alive and kicking" campainers mannaged to project onto the houses of parlement, it was in responce to the 40th annaversary of the abortion act (created in 1967) and claimed that 6.7million abortions have been carried out since. so what do you think of abortions? does anybody have the right to stop something natural? or are those that have done it exercising a modern right? how much say should each parent have in the matter? e.g the mother wants an abortion but the father doesn't. if you want to share any experiences - i.e friends or family who have had an abortion feel free to add them, but don't name them if you do and only do it if you are ok to talk about it. |
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| Nephilim | Oct 27 2007, 09:21 PM Post #2 |
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Why so serious?
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I dont agree with abortion. I dont think anybody has the right to kill the child. There are many circumstances people might be in that would cause them to want to abort the child, but I dont think abortion should be an option. Obviously I have my reasons for that, but at the moment I cant really explain them, you know? But, I guess Ill try. For example, if theres a victim of a rape, of course its not their fault, but I dont think the child should ever be aborted. If someone is in this sort of situation, thats why they have adoption, or something like that. I know things can go wrong in adoption, but things can go wrong in just a normal family setting anyway, right? I think a child should be adopted before being aborted, definitely, or at least the individuals themselves that are involved should be more responsible. If they know they cant care for the child, why have one? Why put themselves at that risk? So, yeah, I guess before I go on to ramble (in the sense that I myself am not making sense), Ill just leave it at the fact I dont agree with abortion at all, but thats just my opinion. -Nephilim |
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| Amphitrite | Oct 27 2007, 11:11 PM Post #3 |
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I agree. Just because you made a mistake, were raped, molested, anything..thats not that child's fault. You have no right to take the one chance that being has of living away. You only get one life..no one has the right to take that away. Theyre also talking about being able to see if your child has downsindrom or other types of illnesses so you can abort them. Um, everybody should have a chance to live. If you devote yourself to that child they will have a normal enough life to their standards. everyone has a right to do with your body what you will. But once your pregnant thats not just your body anymore...its someone else's too. |
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| [DancingWillow] | Oct 28 2007, 03:08 AM Post #4 |
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I totally disagree with abortion. Nobody has the right to deny anybody a chance in life. A mistake or not, it happened and now a life is created. Amph i so much agree with your last statement. Its the one sentance that explains it all. |
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| Dagganon17 | Oct 28 2007, 09:29 PM Post #5 |
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ok so you've made the point that the child could still have a happy life - despite not having biological parents - which i agree with but. What about the mother? she will have to go through the whole process on the run up to the baby being born - if the mother has been raped then it will ruin the mothers experience no end - she will have to deal with the fact she has been raped in the first place, and that she is having a child from it. To me it looks like in some cases the mothers life will probably be ruined from the experience and she will never want to have a child again. a life for a life, exept the second will be an orfan. life indeed is precius - but so is joy, the well being of the mother should be thought about as much as the child. The idea of checking for illnesses before the child is born is a hard one I recon, if anybody has seen gattaca (one of my fave movies) they can predict what a child is going to die from when it is born - it leads to the unlucky ones getting bad jobs no matter their potential. But I don't recon they could be accurate enough to tell if a child is going to have the syndrome for a long time yet. |
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| Amphitrite | Oct 28 2007, 09:47 PM Post #6 |
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-_- Bite me
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If your raped, i still dont see that as the childs fault. I mean heck yah its going to suck for the mother. But that thing will grow into a human being, have a life, have children, grow old and die. If my mother was raped and still had me, id be SO thankful. Being raped is the worse thing for a woman, i know lots of girls that have. But that doesnt give them the right to destroy something that will be a living thing. Bad things happen, you have to make the best of it. But with the disease thing, they already have it. When you get your check ups they check to see if your child has mutated genes, or can have. My friend had to go get lots of check ups bc they told her her child may be retarded. Ended up not so, but scared her and her family to death. I think we need to let nature take its course, thats a huge reason the world is being destroyed..humans. You have to look at if it was you. If your mom got pregnant early, she got rapped, and if she chose to abort you, you wouldve never exsisted. |
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| Mikha | Oct 31 2007, 09:28 AM Post #7 |
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I don't agree with abortions at all. My main disagreement was the whole idea that the baby was not self aware until a certain time after conception, or wasn't truly alive or something along those lines. This was proven wrong with a child being born AND surviving a number of weeks before the deadline for abortion. It had no rights and could technically be aborted for the weeks untill that deadline. In any case, both parents should have a say in the matter. Chances are the father would want to keep the child (I would) |
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| Tallulah | Oct 31 2007, 09:58 PM Post #8 |
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Right now the legal limit for abortions in the UK is 24 weeks. Since I read that they have discovered the foetus can possibly feel and respond to stimuli at around 22 weeks, I have been dead against 2nd trimester abortions (anything after three months, or 12 weeks) However, despite my personal beliefs (If I found I was 13 weeks pregnant God forbid - I just can't support a child right now - I would in all possibility have the child and have him/her adopted) I would not deny the woman a right to choose whether to have an abortion. My cousin, for instance, got pregnant at a young age, and I really respect her because she decided to have the child (or children, as it turned out, she had twins), despite the fact that her mum (my aunt Dawn) completely (and understandably) freaked out, and other people, including my dad, saw her as wasting her life. I do worry about my adopted child having abandonment issues, and feeling bitter towards me, especially if I did choose to have children later in life. All I can say is that I wanted the best for that child, and when the child came along, I wasn't in a position to do so. I hope it will never come to that. |
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| gwenibe | Nov 1 2007, 07:13 AM Post #9 |
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Alright, so I hope this doesn't sound confusing, but for me it kinda goes both ways I'm not against abortion. It's a womens right and belief. Not everyone believes that a baby in the womb is life - some do. I knew some one who had a very abusive relationship, she fell pregnant and before the so called 'boyfriend' found out, she aborted it. Who knows how that poor child would have grown up and what familiy life would have been like - in my opinion no child deserve to grow up like that and also in my opinion, it was the best thing she could have done (the guy tried to run over some of my friends!!) So this is why I think it should be an option, based on situations. I don't fully agree with adoption, I would personally feel like I'm dumping the child - and I really don't know what's worse abortion or adoption. At least with abortion, they child will never have to suffer. BUT I don't believe abortion in cases of 'whoops it was an accident'. That's just stupid, deal with the consequences of your actions. But reality is - they do abort 'accidents' and I do believe that when it's in the womb it's life. And I don't think I could bring myself to abort. I guess, I keep open mindness about these issues. and I think in this modern day, we have to, there are just some situation no child deserve to grow up in. So I don't see it as 'murder' or 'killing a child' , 'destroying a life' becuase I feel it's offensive to those women who felt like they had no choice ( or prehaps they didn't?). Deciding to abort ( or even to give up for adoption) is never an easy decision |
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| Sigfreid | Nov 6 2007, 01:35 AM Post #10 |
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heres how i see it. if you aren't prepared to have a baby dont have sex (or at least dont have unprotected sex) only way i would allow abortion if the child is the result of being the victim of a rape attack |
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| sorasgirl4235 | Nov 13 2007, 04:04 AM Post #11 |
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i agree totally except if a child is from a situation of rape the child should have the right to live. there is many organiztions that help pregnet teen or rape victims. but if they dont want to care for the child they could give the child to a hospital, firestation , or the police were they can place the child in an orphanage. |
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| Nephilim | Nov 16 2007, 02:31 AM Post #12 |
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Why so serious?
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I'm reading two entirely different things in your post. You say, "Except if a child is from a situation of rape, the child should have the right to live." Then you go on to say, "There are many organizations that help prgeant teen or rape vicitims," and, "they can give the child up for adoption." So if a child is a product of rape, they have no right to live? Isn't that harsh on the child? They didn't ask to be a product of unprotected sex. The parents of the child, however old, should have been more responsible. If they know they can't take care of the child, they shouldn't be irresponsible enough to have sex just because they think it'd be fun. They need to have a bigger perspective on things. That's why people say, "don't have sex until *after* you're married." That way the commitment is there and they don't have to worry about these types of things happening. As for having bitter feelings towards the parents...If I knew I was at a stage where my parents would have aborted me, yet they sent me for adoption, I wouldve gone to my biological parents and thanked them for not killing me. Sometimes people cant support children. I dont think a child should feel that way. I mean, I have no way of knowing. But I dont think they should. So their biological parents made a mistake by having a child too early. At least they made up for that by letting them live with someone who wanted to raise a child and who could take care of said child. I apologize if I misunderstood some parts your post =) Feel free to correct me. -Nephilim |
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| Caolen | Dec 3 2007, 12:15 PM Post #13 |
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I can see this topic becoming a sensitive issue.
:nod: Okay well here are my personal view's i do not believe in abortion what so ever regardless that the mother has to carry the child no one in this world has to right to state that child does not have the right to live. Sure the child would indeed be dependant on someone but none the less if your old enough to have sex your old enough to bear the responsibilities of being a parent. But there is some cases which that dicision can become a bit difficult ie the female may have been raped or abused and therefore fallen pregnant but still none the less the child does have a right to live and no one has a right to state otherwise because that is a human life regardless of how or when it was created it is still a living being. Many people would state oh its just a featus what does it matter i have been there i have been pregnant and carried my child, she was no planned and it was not the best time for me or mike but never in a million years did i concider not having her. Even from when i was told at 4 weeks being pregnant [i did not tell anyone even you guys til much later] i knew i had a child in me not a featus and i loved it even from that early stage. I did not care what it looked like at that point it was mine and mikes child and was alive. I detest people who says that there nothing more than that at that stage sorry just a personal oppinion. But lets make it simpler before i confuse everything. There is adoption if you get pregnant and dont want the child then give it up! there are so many women out there that simply cannot have children due to reasons and it is selfish to not give someone the chance of a family. It is hard when your told you can never have children and i feel that if someone gets pregnant even if it is down to rape the child still should have a chance at life and a family and it should go to those people who cannot have kids as it would be loved completely. I am sorry if my views are harsh but i am a mother and i see teenage mothers all the way around eastbourne who have kept there kids and if they can and juggle school and college they so can all the other people in the world. |
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| Amphitrite | Dec 22 2007, 09:42 PM Post #14 |
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I personally believe abortion should be 100% illegal since more then 50% of abortions are just used like birth control. There are tons of women who have had 5-10 abortions because they have unprotected sex and get pregnant. If i got pregnant right now, Id have it and give it up for adoption since i'm not emotionally ready for it. But I'm also almost 20 and half way through college. I had a pregnancy scare in high school and the 1st thing i thought was if I am how can I get an abortion without my parents knowing. I think if it was talked about more in school and between kid and parent, abortion wouldnt be the 1st resort. Truthfully, schools don't support safe sex, they support abstinence. Which is good, but not realistic. Kids are going to have sex. With sex all over the tv, video games, and music, theyre going to have sex, end of story. (not all but most) So instead of making it seem like if you have sex or get pregnant youll be shunned and everyone will hate you and think your a whore, teach safe sex and how to say no, ho to know when your ready, things like that. Then maybe young girls will not be so scared if the worse happens and feel like abortion is their only option. |
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