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Evolution vs. Creationism
Topic Started: Jul 21 2011, 06:16 PM (186 Views)
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So, we all know about the huge debate, but, lets hear a good debate.
Knowing the people that've signed up here, I won't be getting that. It's worth a shot though.

So, on topic.

Creationism. We all know what it is. It's Christianity's call on humanity. And we all learned about it at one point.

Evolution. Atheism. We all love this one (This isn't biased :D). Cells and shit.


Who likes what side, and why is it better than the other one?

I like Evolution, because the scientific stuff is starting to work its way into life, actually making sense. Compared to (not insulting) cavemen who were unable to form complicated thoughts, and simply described unexplained events as acts of an unseen force. Along with that, the whole cell theory is evolution on its own, something the Christian Church refused to believe at first.

I mean, they thought the moon emitted its own light and that the Earth was the center of the universe. What else could they be wrong about?
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Ok. So it all starts with the big bang. The ball of enery that then exploded yada yada yada. It had to be triggered by something. My explanation: God. God exists in a realm outside of our own, he isn't bound to our concepts of time and physics. The Book of Genesis describes that God created the universe in 7 days (6 with a day of rest). My question to you: What is a day to God? This question can not be awnsered. God is not bound by our perception of time. A day for him could be a week for us, a month, a year, or, 10 Millenia. Genesis seems to describe things in the order that the theory of evoulution describes them to be. First, the stars, then day and night, then the earth, then vegetation, then creatures in the sea and land, then finally, humans. According to Genesis, in 7 days. But once again, what's a day to God? It could be entirely that 7 "God days" are in our preception, a couple billion years. However, since god is Omnipotent and Omnipresent (in our universe), he can do all his godly things to us. Science was originally meant to compliment religion, not contrast it. Sir Issac Newton was a devout christian. Modern science in my opinion has been distorted by secularism, everytime a scientist makes a discovery, he almost goes "take that religion! Your myths are crazy", when really, he never trully finished his discovery. He never connected the dots. He never sought out any similarities in "contrasting" beliefs. I say evolution is a our preception of creation. Does this all make sense?

EDIT: I'm Catholic. Always and forever.
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Ok. So it all starts with the big bang. The ball of enery that then exploded yada yada yada. It had to be triggered by something. My explanation: God. God exists in a realm outside of our own, he isn't bound to our concepts of time and physics. The Book of Genesis describes that God created the universe in 7 days (6 with a day of rest). My question to you: What is a day to God? This question can not be awnsered. God is not bound by our perception of time. A day for him could be a week for us, a month, a year, or, 10 Millenia. Genesis seems to describe things in the order that the theory of evoulution describes them to be. First, the stars, then day and night, then the earth, then vegetation, then creatures in the sea and land, then finally, humans. According to Genesis, in 7 days. But once again, what's a day to God? It could be entirely that 7 "God days" are in our preception, a couple billion years. However, since god is Omnipotent and Omnipresent (in our universe), he can do all his godly things to us. Science was originally meant to compliment religion, not contrast it. Sir Issac Newton was a devout christian. Modern science in my opinion has been distorted by secularism, everytime a scientist makes a discovery, he almost goes "take that religion! Your myths are crazy", when really, he never trully finished his discovery. He never connected the dots. He never sought out any similarities in "contrasting" beliefs. I say evolution is a our preception of creation. Does this all make sense?

EDIT: I'm Catholic. Always and forever.

As noted by several scriptures, one day is 1000 years to Jehovah, whom you are referring to by his title of God.

Heres what I think, honestly. I grew up atheist. My parents, grand parents, all relatives really have three things in common: Theyre British, theyre Marines, and they are atheist. I started going to church with my girlfriend at the time (not gonna lie, I just did it for the pussy), and that changed me forever.

It was an LDS church, completely psycho babble crap, but from then on I had a spiritual need. At the time I was 15. I read the entire King James, Jerusalem, New Contemporary, New World Translation, and several other bibles before the age of 17. I dont belong to any denomination, as I believe organized religion is corrupt, based on money and lies, and wont have any part of it.

However science will never be able to prove their theories, will never explain "phenomenon", and will never know how we got here. In a lot of ways, it takes faith to be an evolutionist the same as it does a man of faith. It boils down to one thing in my mind - do you believe the bible?

If you do, than creation is real, etc. If not, than you believe in evolution, Islam, or some other religion. So we should be asking, is there any proof the Bible is real, inspired, and actually dates as far back as it claims?
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Jul 22 2011, 02:35 AM
Ok. So it all starts with the big bang. The ball of enery that then exploded yada yada yada. It had to be triggered by something. My explanation: God. God exists in a realm outside of our own, he isn't bound to our concepts of time and physics. The Book of Genesis describes that God created the universe in 7 days (6 with a day of rest). My question to you: What is a day to God? This question can not be awnsered. God is not bound by our perception of time. A day for him could be a week for us, a month, a year, or, 10 Millenia. Genesis seems to describe things in the order that the theory of evoulution describes them to be. First, the stars, then day and night, then the earth, then vegetation, then creatures in the sea and land, then finally, humans. According to Genesis, in 7 days. But once again, what's a day to God? It could be entirely that 7 "God days" are in our preception, a couple billion years. However, since god is Omnipotent and Omnipresent (in our universe), he can do all his godly things to us. Science was originally meant to compliment religion, not contrast it. Sir Issac Newton was a devout christian. Modern science in my opinion has been distorted by secularism, everytime a scientist makes a discovery, he almost goes "take that religion! Your myths are crazy", when really, he never trully finished his discovery. He never connected the dots. He never sought out any similarities in "contrasting" beliefs. I say evolution is a our preception of creation. Does this all make sense?

EDIT: I'm Catholic. Always and forever.

As noted by several scriptures, one day is 1000 years to Jehovah, whom you are referring to by his title of God.

Heres what I think, honestly. I grew up atheist. My parents, grand parents, all relatives really have three things in common: Theyre British, theyre Marines, and they are atheist. I started going to church with my girlfriend at the time (not gonna lie, I just did it for the pussy), and that changed me forever.

It was an LDS church, completely psycho babble crap, but from then on I had a spiritual need. At the time I was 15. I read the entire King James, Jerusalem, New Contemporary, New World Translation, and several other bibles before the age of 17. I dont belong to any denomination, as I believe organized religion is corrupt, based on money and lies, and wont have any part of it.

However science will never be able to prove their theories, will never explain "phenomenon", and will never know how we got here. In a lot of ways, it takes faith to be an evolutionist the same as it does a man of faith. It boils down to one thing in my mind - do you believe the bible?

If you do, than creation is real, etc. If not, than you believe in evolution, Islam, or some other religion. So we should be asking, is there any proof the Bible is real, inspired, and actually dates as far back as it claims?

I believe in the Bible. I'm Roman Catholic. I think it takes a huge amount of faith to be an evolutionist and a creationist at the same time. My belief in God is unwaivering, and it will stay like that.

EDIT: You can't definitly prove or disprove the Bible. That's why it's called faith/belief, not fact. We can all believe what we want, but we will never know.
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As noted by several scriptures, one day is 1000 years to Jehovah, whom you are referring to by his title of God.

Heres what I think, honestly. I grew up atheist. My parents, grand parents, all relatives really have three things in common: Theyre British, theyre Marines, and they are atheist. I started going to church with my girlfriend at the time (not gonna lie, I just did it for the pussy), and that changed me forever.

It was an LDS church, completely psycho babble crap, but from then on I had a spiritual need. At the time I was 15. I read the entire King James, Jerusalem, New Contemporary, New World Translation, and several other bibles before the age of 17. I dont belong to any denomination, as I believe organized religion is corrupt, based on money and lies, and wont have any part of it.

However science will never be able to prove their theories, will never explain "phenomenon", and will never know how we got here. In a lot of ways, it takes faith to be an evolutionist the same as it does a man of faith. It boils down to one thing in my mind - do you believe the bible?

If you do, than creation is real, etc. If not, than you believe in evolution, Islam, or some other religion. So we should be asking, is there any proof the Bible is real, inspired, and actually dates as far back as it claims?


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Jul 22 2011, 11:04 AM
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Jul 22 2011, 12:00 AM
As noted by several scriptures, one day is 1000 years to Jehovah, whom you are referring to by his title of God.

Heres what I think, honestly. I grew up atheist. My parents, grand parents, all relatives really have three things in common: Theyre British, theyre Marines, and they are atheist. I started going to church with my girlfriend at the time (not gonna lie, I just did it for the pussy), and that changed me forever.

It was an LDS church, completely psycho babble crap, but from then on I had a spiritual need. At the time I was 15. I read the entire King James, Jerusalem, New Contemporary, New World Translation, and several other bibles before the age of 17. I dont belong to any denomination, as I believe organized religion is corrupt, based on money and lies, and wont have any part of it.

However science will never be able to prove their theories, will never explain "phenomenon", and will never know how we got here. In a lot of ways, it takes faith to be an evolutionist the same as it does a man of faith. It boils down to one thing in my mind - do you believe the bible?

If you do, than creation is real, etc. If not, than you believe in evolution, Islam, or some other religion. So we should be asking, is there any proof the Bible is real, inspired, and actually dates as far back as it claims?


And that is why you're my pal broski.

Word.

As Mexico said, it comes down to faith. As a realist I find it hard to have faith in something that isn't based on hard fact. Then again, do you take creation as hard fact? Can you believe that evolution created such complicated organisms and cycles such as our brain, water cycle, carbon cycle, etc?
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As noted by several scriptures, one day is 1000 years to Jehovah, whom you are referring to by his title of God.

Heres what I think, honestly. I grew up atheist. My parents, grand parents, all relatives really have three things in common: Theyre British, theyre Marines, and they are atheist. I started going to church with my girlfriend at the time (not gonna lie, I just did it for the pussy), and that changed me forever.

It was an LDS church, completely psycho babble crap, but from then on I had a spiritual need. At the time I was 15. I read the entire King James, Jerusalem, New Contemporary, New World Translation, and several other bibles before the age of 17. I dont belong to any denomination, as I believe organized religion is corrupt, based on money and lies, and wont have any part of it.

However science will never be able to prove their theories, will never explain "phenomenon", and will never know how we got here. In a lot of ways, it takes faith to be an evolutionist the same as it does a man of faith. It boils down to one thing in my mind - do you believe the bible?

If you do, than creation is real, etc. If not, than you believe in evolution, Islam, or some other religion. So we should be asking, is there any proof the Bible is real, inspired, and actually dates as far back as it claims?


And that is why you're my pal broski.

Word.

As Mexico said, it comes down to faith. As a realist I find it hard to have faith in something that isn't based on hard fact. Then again, do you take creation as hard fact? Can you believe that evolution created such complicated organisms and cycles such as our brain, water cycle, carbon cycle, etc?

Actually, yes. I do believe that evolution created complex organisms.
What I want to know is what gave us sentient thought. I mean, really, how do several billion/trillion microorganisms come together to make something to think. That is what I want to know at this point. If it's some form of creation-related being that saw life and gave it thought, then, I'll believe it when I see it.

Another thing I thought about sentience. What if intelligence is just a form of genetic mutation? Just like how Lactose Tolerance is a mutation but a majority of the population is lactose tolerant.
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As noted by several scriptures, one day is 1000 years to Jehovah, whom you are referring to by his title of God.

Heres what I think, honestly. I grew up atheist. My parents, grand parents, all relatives really have three things in common: Theyre British, theyre Marines, and they are atheist. I started going to church with my girlfriend at the time (not gonna lie, I just did it for the pussy), and that changed me forever.

It was an LDS church, completely psycho babble crap, but from then on I had a spiritual need. At the time I was 15. I read the entire King James, Jerusalem, New Contemporary, New World Translation, and several other bibles before the age of 17. I dont belong to any denomination, as I believe organized religion is corrupt, based on money and lies, and wont have any part of it.

However science will never be able to prove their theories, will never explain "phenomenon", and will never know how we got here. In a lot of ways, it takes faith to be an evolutionist the same as it does a man of faith. It boils down to one thing in my mind - do you believe the bible?

If you do, than creation is real, etc. If not, than you believe in evolution, Islam, or some other religion. So we should be asking, is there any proof the Bible is real, inspired, and actually dates as far back as it claims?


And that is why you're my pal broski.

Word.

As Mexico said, it comes down to faith. As a realist I find it hard to have faith in something that isn't based on hard fact. Then again, do you take creation as hard fact? Can you believe that evolution created such complicated organisms and cycles such as our brain, water cycle, carbon cycle, etc?

I belive the Bible to be fact, yes, but I don't know. It's what scientists would call a theory. I do not evolution could have made the complex organisms we see today. Again, I already explained my view on evolution. There has to be something that jump started the whole thing. A random chemical reation? Please...
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As noted by several scriptures, one day is 1000 years to Jehovah, whom you are referring to by his title of God.

Heres what I think, honestly. I grew up atheist. My parents, grand parents, all relatives really have three things in common: Theyre British, theyre Marines, and they are atheist. I started going to church with my girlfriend at the time (not gonna lie, I just did it for the pussy), and that changed me forever.

It was an LDS church, completely psycho babble crap, but from then on I had a spiritual need. At the time I was 15. I read the entire King James, Jerusalem, New Contemporary, New World Translation, and several other bibles before the age of 17. I dont belong to any denomination, as I believe organized religion is corrupt, based on money and lies, and wont have any part of it.

However science will never be able to prove their theories, will never explain "phenomenon", and will never know how we got here. In a lot of ways, it takes faith to be an evolutionist the same as it does a man of faith. It boils down to one thing in my mind - do you believe the bible?

If you do, than creation is real, etc. If not, than you believe in evolution, Islam, or some other religion. So we should be asking, is there any proof the Bible is real, inspired, and actually dates as far back as it claims?


And that is why you're my pal broski.

Word.

As Mexico said, it comes down to faith. As a realist I find it hard to have faith in something that isn't based on hard fact. Then again, do you take creation as hard fact? Can you believe that evolution created such complicated organisms and cycles such as our brain, water cycle, carbon cycle, etc?

I belive the Bible to be fact, yes, but I don't know. It's what scientists would call a theory. I do not evolution could have made the complex organisms we see today. Again, I already explained my view on evolution. There has to be something that jump started the whole thing. A random chemical reation? Please...

See that's where I'm at too. I disagree with Shanix at this point saying that evolution could create these things. I don't think randomness, or chance could have brought the universe into existence. There's gotta be something that made it in my eyes.
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As noted by several scriptures, one day is 1000 years to Jehovah, whom you are referring to by his title of God.

Heres what I think, honestly. I grew up atheist. My parents, grand parents, all relatives really have three things in common: Theyre British, theyre Marines, and they are atheist. I started going to church with my girlfriend at the time (not gonna lie, I just did it for the pussy), and that changed me forever.

It was an LDS church, completely psycho babble crap, but from then on I had a spiritual need. At the time I was 15. I read the entire King James, Jerusalem, New Contemporary, New World Translation, and several other bibles before the age of 17. I dont belong to any denomination, as I believe organized religion is corrupt, based on money and lies, and wont have any part of it.

However science will never be able to prove their theories, will never explain "phenomenon", and will never know how we got here. In a lot of ways, it takes faith to be an evolutionist the same as it does a man of faith. It boils down to one thing in my mind - do you believe the bible?

If you do, than creation is real, etc. If not, than you believe in evolution, Islam, or some other religion. So we should be asking, is there any proof the Bible is real, inspired, and actually dates as far back as it claims?


And that is why you're my pal broski.

Word.

As Mexico said, it comes down to faith. As a realist I find it hard to have faith in something that isn't based on hard fact. Then again, do you take creation as hard fact? Can you believe that evolution created such complicated organisms and cycles such as our brain, water cycle, carbon cycle, etc?

I belive the Bible to be fact, yes, but I don't know. It's what scientists would call a theory. I do not evolution could have made the complex organisms we see today. Again, I already explained my view on evolution. There has to be something that jump started the whole thing. A random chemical reation? Please...

See that's where I'm at too. I disagree with Shanix at this point saying that evolution could create these things. I don't think randomness, or chance could have brought the universe into existence. There's gotta be something that made it in my eyes.

Just an opinion.

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Anywho. Back on topic for me.

I believe in all the cell things, but the closest I come to accepting creationism (And this is just to shut up those people who won't even consider another religion as real. And no one here classifies as such [yet]) is saying that A god might have started this, but let it progress with little to know interference.
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Creationism isn't just Christians!!
I'm still really unsure I mean I'd love there to be a god but well I don't see one. I mean he allows bad things to happen to 'his people' with no explanation
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Creationism isn't just Christians!!
I'm still really unsure I mean I'd love there to be a god but well I don't see one. I mean he allows bad things to happen to 'his people' with no explanation

According to the bible its because Satan challenged him, so he's letting him control the world to prove God is the better ruler.

Its like if a student said he could teach better than the teacher - the teacher lets him try, watches him fail, then comes in and takes over again.
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